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Relic Discussion => Artillery => Topic started by: pipedreamer65 on January 09, 2019, 07:15:06 PM

Title: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: pipedreamer65 on January 09, 2019, 07:15:06 PM
Curious about the composition of the matrix material used in Federal caseshot projectiles.   I have several miscellaneous parts of frags and the caseshot themselves and wanted to make faithful recreations of exploded shell with some of the contents still adhered to them.  Make sense?  So asphalt mixture?  Tar?  Something else?  Ty
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: pipedreamer65 on January 10, 2019, 07:42:42 PM
Bueller....  Bueller?
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: callicles on January 10, 2019, 07:56:45 PM
Well, for what its worth, mine has a tar matrix.
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: speedenforcer on January 10, 2019, 08:12:09 PM
To each his own. Your relics, but for what its worth I would leave them the way they are un altered but that's just me. There's too many cut in half shells out there pretty cheap if you want some showing the interior. you can even from time to time get examples of fragments naturally having some of the original matrix and balls still attached. MHO only. Good luck in your endeavor.
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: pipedreamer65 on January 11, 2019, 10:32:18 AM
Thank you.

Its just a huge box of junk thin wall frags and lead shot I've accumulated over the years.  It could be a box of junk in the garage or I can do something useful and educational with them.  Making chicken salad out of chicken shit as they say.
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: emike123 on January 11, 2019, 11:29:59 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_tar
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: speedenforcer on January 11, 2019, 12:22:57 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: redbob on January 11, 2019, 05:00:50 PM
You could always try roofing cement  (tar or "bull") you the matrix.
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: divedigger on January 11, 2019, 06:34:11 PM
I don't consider fragments as junk, they are relics of the conflict
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: speedenforcer on January 12, 2019, 07:49:23 AM
I agree with Dive, but wasn't going to say anything.

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me: I lift my lamp beside the golden door. ― Emma Lazarus

Here is a forum rendition

Give me your rusted, your thin walled, Your huddled masses or rusty junk, The wretched refuse wanting displayed in a man cave. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me: I lift my lamp beside rusted old mementos of a time long passed . ― Numerous Forumites.   :)

Just a little humor in between calls of my ex wife wont...... or by husband wont.......or I ran away cause I didn't want to clean my room.   lol

Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: divedigger on January 12, 2019, 08:17:57 AM
didn't mean to sound judgemental, I actually save rust cocoons, nails, broken glass, oyster shells out of trash pits etc. It all tells the story
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: pipedreamer65 on January 12, 2019, 03:37:51 PM
Well damn, sorry i asked.
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: speedenforcer on January 13, 2019, 04:59:41 PM
Pipe, in all reality I think it is an excellent idea you have.
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: CarlS on January 14, 2019, 06:41:12 AM
Seemingly since no one has offered this in response no one is aware of that the two matrix types (black and yellow) are composed of.  I have always understood that the Black is an asphalt type of pitch and the yellow is often referred to as sulfur.  I presume they are some sort of compound based on the great variance seen in them when cutting them open.  Perhaps one of the patents gives more detailed description of how it is made.

I think there is no issue with creating the matrix example as it likely could be taken apart back to the original components if so desired
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: pipedreamer65 on January 17, 2019, 07:18:59 AM
Thanks Callicles, Carl and redbob.  I will make a small experiment using roofing pitch/patch (guess black mammie is not PC?) and combine with some other items to come up with something that looks authentic. 
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: alwion on January 17, 2019, 03:10:42 PM
when I had the choice to buy a couple, I thought the dark one was pine pitch, was kinda sticky and more like amber. the sulfer one I did get I just looked at, and I would swear it looks like yellow spray foam, which could be "modeled"
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: alwion on January 17, 2019, 03:16:00 PM
https://www.offgridweb.com/survival/how-to-make-pine-resin-glue-sticks/   this is for making a hardening black pine resin, used 100's of years ago. might have been it, as it would have been easy to make
Title: Re: Federal Caseshot Matrix
Post by: CarlS on January 20, 2019, 06:43:48 AM
Quite interesting and sure looks very much like it.  I don't recall it having that pine tar smell.  In some cases it is still soft inside the shell so one would think it would still have that pine tar smell.  I had always thought it was a compound of this:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphalt
known at the time as asphaltum but I don't know.